“It really just proves that JS made the whole thing up. The account of the brother of Jared seeing the finger, and then the spirit body, of the premortal Jesus Christ, is well known to readers of the Book of Mormon. I’m not saying anything. The name Moriancumer does appear in the Book of Ether in the Book of Mormon, as a place where the people pitched their tents.However, the name Mahonri Moriancumer is found nowhere in the text of the Book of Mormon, but he is consistently referred to as the "Brother of Jared." Travis, I really like your suggestion, at least the way I am taking it. Maybe it’s analogous to how the author of the fourth Gospel always refers to himself as “the apostle whom the Lord loved” rather than by his name, John. At times, it looks like Jared is telling his brother what to do. Following up on Cameron’s point, length may well play a role for an oft-mentioned name in an abridged account. Brother of Jared Sees the Finger of the Lord by Robert T. Barrett. *) is told to gather Jared and his family and friends. I can’t see the point of not including his name on the record. Besides, cutting a three syllable name down to maybe two syllables over 41 occurrences doesn’t seem like much of a space savings. And for the space of three hours did the Lord talk with the brother of Jared, and chastened him because he remembered not to call upon the name of the Lord. That’s actually fairly common in the ancient world. (Ether 3:20),” KnoWhy 237 (November 23, 2016). Also, in Arab culture, a nickname based on the name of one’s child, called a kunya, “is … frequently used with reference to politicians and other celebrities to indicate respect” (quoting Wikipedia article on “Kunya (Arabic)” accessed 2014-02-15). Beneath is additional conversation on this front: Here’s an internal dialog I just had between brains (it didn’t go too well) …. “There are places in the BoM that tell us that they name the place after the person who found it. He was clearly enough the de facto leader during his lifetime, but when he became old, the people wanted Jared and him to formally name one of their sons as king (Ether 6:22-3). Biblical Jared. But Jared and his brother and their families and friends were not wicked. Neither do you. Are you saying that God vandalized the 24 gold plates? And yes, it’s a ridiculously low number. To me, what’s even more remarkable than the fact that the Brother of Jared isn’t mentioned by name is that, in the entire Book of Mormon, only four women are mentioned by name at all. ???). ;). Copyright © 2016 Times & Seasons. Jared asks him to pray for them and their friends, so that their language will not be confounded. The Brother of Jared's Shining Stones The Brother of Jared's Shining Stones But who gave the brother of Jared the idea about stones in the first place? One might think that Jared is more of a political leader, even though his brother is clearly the more spiritual one, and it is Jared’s political importance that makes him the one with the name recognition. This coloring page was inspired by Ether 3 and the stones the Lord touched to light their vessels. Moroni described the event in language that recalls the revelatory experiences of other prophets, such Why is his name not recorded, Why did the brother of Jared cease praying during his time of the seashore? (Ether 2:14) Here the Lord spends three hours rebuking the brother of Jared for his lack of prayer. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nORKtRu7nYs/UuEZOioKoOI/AAAAAAAACRg/K80Ar1kNd7Y/s1600/Jared%27s+Family+Group+Worksheet.jpg, Tikitikitembonosarembocharibariruchipipperripembo See Book of Mormon Central, “Why Did Jesus Minister to the People One by One? Joseph named him “Mahonri Moriancumer”, claiming that the Lord had just revealed the name to him: “The actual name of the brother of Jared is not given in the scriptures. All of us have such a brother in Jesus Christ, whose mission is to give us immortality and help us all gain eternal life (Moses 1:39). The named women are Sariah, Abish, and Isabel; plus Mary, Eve and Sarah. The Brother of Jared - Seek and Find Comic. *The Brother of Jared's given name was Mahonri Moriancumr (which might further explain why Ether never bothered recording it). The Brother of Jared and his family faced great distress as they anticipated their journey across the ocean. Joseph Smith said that the name was revealed to him, as discussed in the following quotation: . The exclusion of the name draws attention to the fact that Jared was not left alone, but had a very special brother who intervened in his and his family’s behalf. 8, pp. http://www.ldsces.org/inst_manuals/bm-in-sm1996/bm1996-09-mor.htm#9-3, https://www.familysearch.org/search/records#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Amahonri~%20%2Bsurname%3Acahoon~. The visit of the Lord to the brother of Jared occurs about four years after the tower’s destruction, and before his group embarks on the ocean trip to America. Doesn't God know how to design barges? Rather, it looks like Jared and his brother have the kind of mutual, cooperative relationship one might expect of good-hearted brothers, so that Moriancumer talks to his brother, listens to him, and is happy to do what he asks or follow his advice sometimes, because he is persuaded, or because it’s his brother asking, and not because of any special authority Jared has. Breaking: The Man (Jibril) Posturing As Nigeria’s President Is A Contracted Political Decoy, Real Buhari died 201... Oracle Of God: “You cannot kill a man who carries prophesy-Signs & Wonders-Sign is about God that He is, wonder is about man that God is awesome..”–Apostle Johnson Suleman, Queen Elizabeth II: “The death of President Buhari came to us as a shock. Your email address will not be published. Elder William F. Cahoon, who was standing near heard the Prophet make this statement to his father; and this was the first time the name of the brother of Jared was known in the Church in this dispensation” (“The Jaredites,” Juvenile Instructor, 1 May 1892, p. 282 n.). Just as John was emphasizing his relationship with the Lord, Ether may be trying to emphasize the sibling relationship—possibly because Jared was the subject of the nation’s founding mythology while Moriancumer was a mere historical footnote. 2. Do we teach US History referring to President Brother-of-Billy(Carter)? Between that and the fact that Ether himself is a descendant of Jared, it is pretty well settled that Jared is the one with the big name, especially by the time the Jaredites have been through several full-scale apostasies, disregarding the prophets, including in the time of Ether. Here's my swipe at this much-pondered issue. The description of Christ touching the stones “one by one” and filling them with light is symbolic of his pattern of personal ministry. A later account describes an 1834 statement by Joseph Smith in which he said that the brother of Jared's name had been revealed to him as "Mahonri Moriancumer": See Book of Mormon Central, “Why Did Moroni Use Temple Imagery While Telling the Brother of Jared Story? In Ether 2:16 he is again commanded to build barges to cross ‘the great deep’. Or maybe they had better things to do than go digging for gold. 1. John the Beloved doesn’t refer to himself by name, and even sometimes just refers to himself generically as a disciple, presumably to avoid seeming to aggrandize himself in his own version of the narrative. All of us have such a brother in Jesus Christ, whose mission is to give us immortality and help us all gain eternal life (Moses 1:39). The typical answer is that the records we have come through the line of the Brother of Jared. By Ether’s day, the Jaredites had been in spiritual decline for a long time, and Ether may have felt it necessary to reinforce the importance and respectability of his religious message by emphasizing that it originated with a man who was the brother of their founder. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Joseph named him “Mahonri Moriancumer”, claiming that the Lord had just revealed the name to him: “The actual name of the brother of Jared is not given in the scriptures. However, George Reynolds relates the following account which indicates that the brother of Jared’s name was revealed to the Prophet Joseph Smith. The Book of Mormon does not disclose his name, but it was made known through a revelation to the Prophet Joseph Smith as Mahonri Moriancumer (“Questions and Answers” 704–05). Mmmkay, brain, why is “Mahonri” more difficult to write or even speak than any other Book of Mormon name? When he is consulting with the Lord about building the barges, there is no indication that Moriancumer is taking orders from Jared. When the brother of Jared begins to cry “unto the Lord,” he’s doing it (for all intents and purposes) in a temple. One interesting note is that Moriancumer is in the BoM.”. Good point, Curtis! Joseph Smith learned it by revelation, or at least that’s what it appears that he claimed. 2) Few or no characters needed to represent the concept of possession (“of”) or definiteness (“the”). ), and word order (construct state) takes care of possession and definiteness. The time before last that we did BoM in Gospel Doctrine, when we got to the Book of Ether someone asked, “Why did Jared always ask his brother to pray to the Lord, instead of going to the Lord himself?” So I raised my hand and said, “Obviously the Brother of Jared was the leader, but since Jared’s descendants were the kings they rewrote the story to make Jared look more important.” There was a stunned silence for a few minutes, and then a friend leaned over and whispered in a faux-shocked voice, “You mean it’s not TRUE?”. Because his faith was so great, he was able to see the finger of the Lord. (3 … Seems a major character is important enough to at least keep his name intact. Ok, I’m clearly having trouble both approaching and answering my question. Why? This makes sence, because one, the elder brother would have the right to heredity title, and second it makes sence why the title is used instead of his name, because his name would nessisarily be very long, as is the kings name in Thailand, longest because it containes his dominion in his title, also frequently repetition is not polite. 4 It is difficult to imagine what a three-hour rebuke from the Lord might be like, but the brother of Jared endured it. Brain, that makes no sense. JARED, BROTHER OF. Because most of the people there were wicked, the Lord punished them by making them unable to understand each other when they talked. *the brains didn’t feel like speaking to each other anymore today on the subject*. Because in the Jaredite language “Brother of Jared” physically took less space than “Mahonri” and the author was trying to conserve space. They loved the Lord and obeyed Him. Alma 8: 7–“7 Now it was the custom of the people of Nephi to call their lands, and their cities, and their villages, yea, even all their small villages, after the aname of him who first possessed them; and thus it was with the land of Ammonihah’. The trick is, Moriancumer initially didn’t want their people to have a king at all. I should have remembered Eve. The story of how we came to know this goes as follows: In Kirtland, during the early days of the Church, a brother Cahoon asked the prophet Joseph Smith to please bless and name his newborn son. Why did the brother of Jared build all eight boats before asking God about the light and the air? Use it alongside your Come, Follow Me study. The prophet and leader of the founders of the Jaredite race. . He is far more important in the narrative of the Book of Ether than Jared, so why isn’t Jared called the brother of Moriancumer instead? Thomas, “The Brother of Jared at the Veil,” 391. 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